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Existing Luck v Skill based games.

Discussion in 'Archive' started by Waffle, Feb 12, 2017.

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Would you like to see a luck based game list implemented under Warden Rules.

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  1. Waffle

    Waffle Senior Admin

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    Under warden rules add a list of luck based games.

    The difference between deatch crate and Crazy Asian left me and some other admins in discussion over what constitues a luck based game. Adding a list would help not only admins, but future wardens from playing luck based games with <10 players.
     
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    i agree i have seen many wardens play crazy asain over 10 t's and many people say its not luck based, but i think it is
     
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    Emmanuelddav yung turkey Advisor Premium VIP

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    Neither crazy asian nor death crate are luck based.
     
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    Or just state whether crazy asian is considered as luck based. It should be because you have to be lucky and hope the person controlling crazy asian wont go after you.
     
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    Jordan yung rooster Senior Admin Member Admin Support

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    Wait what
     
  6. Waffle

    Waffle Senior Admin

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    You'd think that. BUT Kieran himself swapped someone because Deathcrate met the criteria for a Luck based game. According to an undisclosed source. This is the reason I'd like there to be a formal list made.
     
  7. Mathematically

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    You have the ability to dodge the crate therefore it is not luck based. Luck based games are defined where the game is 100 percent luck. Death crate is not 100 percent luck. Luck games are defined. I will quote it for you:

    "A luck-based game is any game that does not require any skill and instead requires 100% luck."

    Therefore a game is luck based only when it requires 100% luck.
     
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    It is not completely luck based since you can dodge it and run away
     
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    Jordan yung rooster Senior Admin Member Admin Support

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    YOu dont have the ability to dodge it because you dont really know where it's going to go next. Sometimes it comes at u fast, and sometimes it comes at you slow. Is that not luck?
     
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    It is not 100 percent luck though cause you can at least try to run away.

    100 percent luck means you get no chance whatsoever in deciding your survival using motor skills.
     
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    Jordan yung rooster Senior Admin Member Admin Support

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    In 4 squares you can try to run away.. You just wont get far lol. Just like in Deathcrate. If box is coming at you, there is no fucking way you're running away from that. It comes at you way too fast.
     
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    Jordan yung rooster Senior Admin Member Admin Support

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    I understand what you mean. I'd just like confirmation from a higher-up.
     
  13. Mathematically

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    No there has been times where I was able to dodge the box. You gotta get the timing right. Again luck based means 100 percent luck.
     
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    Let me say different way = luck based game is game with random outcome when it comes to killing T's. Random = something you can't predict. Im quite sure you can predict death crate a bit.
     
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    Nope, You can't predict a random bouncing box =]
     
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    Yes you can if you are good
     
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    I feel as if you're trying to stretch the definition of a luck based game to cover games that you don't like.

    Death crate is a bit random, but you can easily avoid the crate with good position and reaction time.

    I've never seen the driver target a specific T, and still the movement of the car is largely predictable. I've never died to crazy asian except when I walk into the car on accident at the beginning.
     
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    You have to be lucky. Lucky that the driver of crazy asian, doesn't control the car in your direction, and lucky that the death crate doesn't come in your direction. At the end of the day, both of those games come down to luck.
    For example, on jb_putin a couple hours ago, the death crate killed 6 people at once. Which was more than 50% of the Ts. No way anyone could've dodged that crate. No one has the reaction time to dodge that.
     
  19. Waffle

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    This thread has demonstrated my point even more. Even between leadership it's a difficult task to define what constitutes a luck based game. Just making a list would make this less of an issue in the future for admins/wardens to see.
     
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    Let me remind you that a luck game requires 100% luck, absolutely no skill.

    If death crate and crazy asian are luck games, then, statistically speaking, with the outcome of live or die, everyone should have a 50% win rate by considering the law of regression towards the mean. I can tell you with confidence that I have won far more times than lost on both of those games, and I'm sure other people do as well.

    You're not frozen in one place during crazy asian or death crate, you're allowed to move and position yourself wherever you desire. There IS skill involved in both of these games, and although luck plays a role, it isn't what ultimately determines the outcome.
     
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